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Friday, February 6, 2009

Joel Osteen-False Prophet series pt. 2

This is kind of a long post, but I'm trying to make this series all inclusive with video and written articles on these false-teachers. If you know someone who follows these guys, I want to encourage you to email or send them a link here to read and watch the video on these guys.

So with that said, lets move on to our next leader in the false teachers series and that would be smiling Joel Osteen. He says a lot of "nice" and "positive" things. His smile is contagious, but guess what? Becoming a true Christian does not help you live "Your best life now"! Ask the Christians in China or India. Ask Damare if he's is "livingt his best life now"...

Damare was captured by Islamic soldiers when his Sudanese village was attacked. Only 7 at the time, he was sold as a slave to a Muslim family. He became a camel boy even though he knew nothing about caring for them. His master enforced his learning with beatings. One day a camel got away. The master threatened to kill Damare for this mistake, but something restrained him. The next day when he found out that Damare had sneaked away to attend a Christian church in the village he became determined to punish this boy.


The master found a large board, several rusty spikes and a hammer and dragged Damare out to the edge of his compound. He forced Damare’s legs over the board and drove the long nails through his knees and feet. Then he turned and walked away, leaving the boy laying in the field screaming from pain.


A man passing that way heard Damare’s screams and sneaked into the compound and carried this boy to the local hospital where the nails and board were removed. A year-and-a-half later, Damare and the man who saved him were in a village that came under attack, and they were separated. After the defense forces managed to drive away the Islamic soldiers, Damare was left standing along. When the commander heard him speak, he realized that he was from the Dinka Tribe and took him back to their camp. After hearing his tragic story he tried to locate some of Damare’s relatives. When none could be found, the commander adopted the former camel boy and took him to his home.


Today Damare is 15 and lives in Mario Kong. He cannot run fast like the other boys, but he says he has forgiven the man who nailed his legs to the board. He knows that Jesus was nailed to a cross so all our sins could be forgiven. He asked the Christian children in America to remember to pray for the children of Sudan.


(VOM Newsletter, January 2004)
For more information on the persecuted church check out the Voice of the Martyrs at persecution.com




First there is a great article by Ken Silva
that sums up Mr. Osteen's "gospeless-man centered message". Then three fantastic audio/videos, one from The Way of the Master guys which is quite funny, but dead on, and a two parter fromTodd Friel of Wretched Radio (formerly Way of the Master radio) that takes actual audio clips from ol' Smiley face and compares what he has to say to God's word. Which, by the way is what we're told to do in 1 John 4:1.

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." And guess what? He fails miserably.

Again, we are not here to be nit-picky.....this stuff is dangerous. This man has the largest church in America and has countless followers from television, and he can't even give the gospel truth. He and Benny Hinn and a few other money hungry false teachers will be responsible for millions going to Hell because these guys teach that Jesus came to help your self image. What a dangerous lie!

THIS is why doctrine is so important. If we don't have a proper understanding of who Jesus is, why He came and what He expects from us, then we end up having our ears tickled by every smooth talking, smiling Joker that claims he's a Christian.

For the time is coming...... Actually, the time is here! Please stay tuned to this blog for some more interesting (scary) video in the coming days. I am building up to some freaky stuff that is done in the name of Jesus. The problem is, it's another Jesus. Remeber this verse?....For many shall come in my name..... He warned us and we need to take heed.

God Bless you all.

-Chris


Here is the article by Ken Silva.
For more link to Pastor Ken Silva's Joel Osteen page.

JOEL OSTEEN WITHHOLDS TRUTH

They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. (1 John 4:5)

Withholding The Truth And Leaving People In Their Sin

Joel Osteen’s Still the Name Leaders Know“, a September 5, 2008 puff piece on Joel Osteen from The Washington Times (TWT) we are reminded that he’s:

pastor of America’s largest church, [and] has plenty of powerful friends: Bill and Hillary Clinton, Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee of Texas and the Rev. Billy Graham. Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain has met with him. Sen. Barack Obama’s aides are trying to arrange a get-together… (Online source)

Yes indeed, the world is certainly listening alright. And what is more we’re also told that Osteen:

wasn’t always so sought after. For 17 years, Mr. Osteen, now 45, handled TV production for his father, well-known televangelist John Osteen. The younger Mr. Osteen was petrified at the thought of public speaking until his father died in 1999 at age 77. The oldest son, Paul, a surgeon, was not available to fill in, so Joel, the second son, was asked to take over the 5,000-member church. “I guess it’s because I was there,” he said in an interview Thursday. “I like to think my dad was easygoing and kind, and I think some of those things have been passed down. I am like him in a sense of being positive and hopeful. He was compassionate, and I’ve got a lot of that in me as well.” (Online source)

Apprising Ministries has already shown you in Joel Osteen and John Osteen that not only is “like him” but the son also shares his late dad’s corrupt Word Faith teachings and prosperity gospel as well. The fact is that Osteen believes and quietly preaches the same Word Faith doctrine as John Avanzini Word Faith Wolf and Prosperity Preacher and that of WF cult leader Kenneth Copeland, which then begs the question: Do Regenerated Christians Really Teach Jesus Christ Is A “Born Again Man”?

TWT also informs us, “Mr. Osteen has just come out with a second book, ‘Become a Better You’ and will be signing copies at noon Friday at Books-a-Million on Dupont Circle. Later in the day, he will preach at a sold-out 15,000-seat Verizon Center.” O, there’s little doubt that Osteen’s venues will be packed out. Take for example the fact that Joel Osteen Blesses the Mormon Church. Therein you’ll see this Christian “pastor” has recently even declared that practicing members in the non-Christian cult of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons), who believe that Jesus was the first spirit child born of a resurrected man who became a god, are also Christian just the same as he is.

And then in Joel Osteen Helping Mormons “Become A Better You” I’ll show you that he’s also dumbed any genuine Christian message down so far that Mormon owned Deseret Book even sells Osteen’s latest book cited above. A leading voice in the man-centered semi-pelagian Ecumenical Church of Deceit of postevangelicalism TWT further enlightens us that Osteen’s:

books and message are America’s new civil religion: a packaging of advice on relationships, health and finances mixed in with shared values that appeal to people of all or no faith. About 40 percent of his worldwide TV audience identify themselves as nonbelievers. Mr. Osteen’s broad-brush style of evangelism has netted some criticism because of its emphasis on prosperity and his lack of sermonizing on sin.

“I would never do it purposely,” the pastor replied when asked why his latest book contains little to no mentions of Jesus Christ. “Certainly He is my savior. He is in my messages and I always give people an invitation to receive Christ. “I deal with more practical issues of the Bible. … I don’t like to beat people down. They need to be lifted up.” The book, which has chapter titles such as “Feed Your Good Habits,” “Rising Higher” and “Keep the Strife Out of Your Life,” does not dwell heavily on unanswered prayer. When he deals with people, Mr. Osteen said he aims at keeping their faith up. (Online source)

Men and women, now we uncover the heart of the matter with Osteen: What kind of faith are we taking about; and faith in what? He has given America a “civil religion” alright but it’s certainly not new. It’s really just a twist of the very old, very wrong, ethic of the self: “God helps those who help themselves.” What Osteen does is to take the positive confession of the Word Faith movement, actually rooted in the neo-Gnostic metaphysical Mind Science cults, and then marry it to the philoso-psychobabble of the most heralded modern-day prophet of the self Robert Schuller who also lacked “sermonizing on sin.” However, where Osteen completely ignores sin Schuller simply redefined it while telling people Christ Died for Mankind’s Negative Self-Image.

So when all is said and done essentially Osteen’s own pragmatic man-pleasing message is a kind of Rick Warren-lite. But the tragic issue is by his ”preaching” a pseudo-Christian message with no “sermonizing on sin” and which appeals “to people of all or no faith” Osteen isn’t really lifting people up at all. No, instead here we have a man who claims to be a pastor-teacher sent by Christ Jesus who is consciously withholding the Truth from these packed-out crowds, which then leaves them right in their sin:

What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “Do not covet.” But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead.

Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. (Romans 7:7-12)

In closing, and especially if you have been following the woefully incomplete (at best) message of Joel Osteen, I now point you to a message by Dr. John Piper called How We Come to Know Sin. Pastor Piper is right when he tells you that God’s Law exposes mankind’s “sinful condition”; and think about it, if people don’t understand that they are in sin then they certainly aren’t going to see a need for a Savior:

How Does the Law Help Us Know Our Sin?

So let’s ask today, How does the law help us know our sin? I ask this because I want to benefit as much as possible from the good purposes of the law. I don’t want to miss this blessing. I don’t want you to. I expect that it will be a painful blessing - to be exposed by the law as a sinner, but we saw last week that this is all good for us. Exploratory surgeries, biopsies, diagnoses, treatment - these may all be painful, but they are all good for us in the hand of a skilled physician. And God is the most skilled physician.

So how does the law help us know our sinful condition? Notice I ask about our “sinful condition,” not our “sins.” I do this because of something that you can see in verse 8: “But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind.” Sin produced coveting. Wait, I thought coveting was sin. But in Paul’s mind there is something beneath the sin of coveting, which is producing coveting. And that something he calls sin. He treats it like a power - almost like a person. It looks for opportunities - it will even look in God’s holy law - and then uses those opportunities to produces sins like covetousness.

That deeper thing that produces sins is what I am calling our “sinful condition.” You could call it our depravity. You could call it our fallenness. Believers could call it our “remaining corruption.” Paul simply calls it sin. But he makes it clear that it is deeper and more pervasive and productive than the sins that it produces, like covetousness.

This sinful condition is what we need to get to know. And according to verse 7, we get to know it by knowing what it produces and how the law exposes that. “I would not have come to know sin [my sinful condition] except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting [which is what this sinful condition produces, according to verse 8] if the Law had not said, “you shall not covet.” So we get to know sin - our deep sinful condition - by getting to know the sins that our sinful condition produces. And we get to know those sins and that connection with sin through the law. (Online source)

For more information on this and other topics, see archives.

2 comments:

Danny Turner said...

Good post Chris,

I've been disgusted by the fraud of Osteen for quite some time now and I'm glad you're exposing Osteen for the false prophet he is. This was an excellent and very in-depth post with tons of great information in it. Thanks again and keep 'em comin'

Stand Firm,
Danny

P.S. I've been away from the blogosphere for a while but I just finished a new post today. Swing by and check it out when you get a chance.

Anonymous said...

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God?MAIN REASON BEING: They neither love nor believe God,their creator{NONE of them}How do I know that?Ans.IF they didlove & believe God,they would obey Him and they ALL don't obey Him, therefor they are cut off from learning His truth,which is more precious than ALL THE GOLD& Jewels in the world. Truth IS GIVEN to those who love AND obey.Not just say they love God and go & break His commandments(they habitually break ALL of them & teach others to do likewise)It takes faith to Love God & keep His commandments. It takes NO Faith to keep Sunday,Christmas & Easter(NONE)Abraham,the father of the faithful,Loved God, he BELIEVED GOD and then,he obeyed God(Gen26:5)It takes faith to keep the Christian Sabbath,the Christian Passover and the Holydays given by God in Lev.23(those Rnot Jewish
they are for those of us who love, believe and obey God the Father and Jesus Christ our savior.
God calls His people, individually & blesses them
with some truth which,if they respond to it,are
given more truth & on it goes until they learn enoughand realize they need to repent and be baptised.From there on the loving and learning increases as they as begotten sons & daughters grow in grace and knowledge of their Lord & Savior.We have to battle the sin within,see Jer17:9&10and the sin without, Satan the devil's influences. It IS NOT easy! Human beings sin alot, more than we realized before we were baptized(see Romans3-8)Those who R Christs at His coming will rise 1ST AND B in the 1ST Ress.and will live & Reign with Christ 1000yrs.At a later time the rest of the dead(who were never given their 1stchance to learn the truth will B Ress. and taught God's truth)So EVERYONE IS INCLUDED. No one is left out of God's Plan for ALL mankind. ALL the aborted babies&infants who were killed will B resurrected (phy beings)and given their 1st chance toknow about God and understand His plan and then make their choice.A person either wants to know,learn about,love and do what God teaches and live forever or they can choose to be extinct, gone, as in not around anywhere.There is no immortal spirit inside a person(Horrific Satanic LIE that has spread from the Garden of Eden down to now)When a person dies-He is dead, no seeing, no hearing, no feeling, no thinking-NOTHING. HolyScripture teaches that.See what I mean?People want to believe Satan...and they do.AND they are reaping the rewards of that belief...God warned them in Deut29&30.The Holy Bible is summed up in THREE words: OBEY MY VOICE
ALL the people(MOST) & their Religeons, over 98%, Neither believe nor obey. God indeed has a very small flock who are the called out ones, they Love Him, Believe Him AND Obey Him. To be one of those called is so awesome yet so humbling. see cbcg.org, a website teaching truth, enough truth to get a person started in the right direction. Our journey through life is awesome, do not ever let go of the truth when you find it. Be tenacious, keep hold of your crown, let NO ONE take it from you. IT IS SO WORTH IT to ENDURE TO THE END. Eternal Live is WAY beyond anything we ever dreamed or thot of.